I feel that Tony himself is desperately trying to make money under the guise of fixing others and leading with his ego instead of healing himself. He has a desperation about him. Loosing his voice will be his greatest gift where he will have to truly sit with himself and listen. Regards S. I think you are spot on He is def still that abused boy down inside trying to speak and money his way into his own approval. I truly hope he is healed I attended one of his seminars in San Francisco when he first started out over 26 years ago for free.
I traded advertising space for 2 bad seats way on top. His stuff worked and I was very successful within 5 yrs. I also received all of his tapes free and listen to them over thousand times. I know his greatness, but I learned more off his tapes and reading his books. All the knowledge is in his CD's and books. Save thousand by skipping the hype and focus on the materials available online. He copied Jim Rome's work and took it to the highest levels. He is one of the greatest influential people on earth.
I have been considering going to one of the UPW seminars. I almost bought a ticket recently actually. This was very insightful. However, he's a business man, huge company, needs the sales. He's made such an impact on my life but I have no desire to see him live. It's like going to a star trek or flat earth convention. We are also extremely economically driven. We believe that increasing wealth will solve all our problems.
Sure, it'll pay all your bills, buy you some shit, but in the end, only the human connection can truly make us happy or fulfilled. I let go of my shit, i had money, but now i'm happily getting by on what I need. After living in several developing countries My drive for money isn't there anymore. Think of it like this. Guys like him don't exist in the developing world.
I'm not saying they live better than us. They don't, but man. They're so much happier than we'll ever be. For them relationships are important, for us chasing money and buying stupid shit is important. You have it figured out. I have it figured out. Tony doesn't have it figured out. Everything you said I'm generally very skeptical about people whose life story goes something like this: "I was uneducated and jobless and then I became a life coach, earned millions of money by helping people and I'm now rich and successful". This usually means that they had no knowledge or skills to improve their own life in an ordinary way, so they improved it by "helping people" and it usually means: selling people what they want to hear - easy solutions, hope and promises.
I've listened to several Tony's audio books and found them useful to a certain extant.
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I did get something from his books. On the other hand they are a little simplified and disregard human psychology in many ways. Humans are complex and complicated creatures. There are no shortcuts in life, although we all would like them. Sometimes one insight or a new idea or perspective can help us change, but many other times most?
You don't need overpriced seminars, because they are always just repeating the same. People usually attend those seminars because of the energy. The energy of many people being together united with the same goal is exciting and it makes them feel good for a few days. If they continue going to these seminars - they get addicted to the feeling of excitement and "everything is possible" attitude. So they go on and on from one similar seminar to another, while their life stays more or less the same or gets even worse. This sometimes happens even to the life coach himself.
He gets addicted to "being high all the time" and he starts to crave his own seminars, just like his participants! Human body requires calmness and balance.
If you make it overly excited all the time, it will pull you to the other direction very soon very hard. This means that your chances to experience depression rise. And once you fall down, you will need more and more energy to go up and so you end up pushing your body completely out of the balance. This can't be healthy and productive, not even in the short run, less alone in the long one. Many people are addicted to their life coaches and psychiatrists. Don't become addicted and too attached to anything. Read a book, if you find a useful idea or two - try to implement them in your life, if they work - great, if they don't - move on.
Be smart and keep your money. I recently attended UPW, I walked in after reading negative and positive comments but I came completely with an open mind. I decided to pick up and create some rituals and slowly get my mental and physical health up to where I want it to be. I decided to pay to do it for myself. I met great people, and I learned things from them as well as the speakers and Tony. What I took from the event is that Tony is a wonderful businessman. The way their marketing strategy was amazing, and I know we all hate something being sold to us but the way he advertises his seminars is remarkable and we can learn from that.
He uses the speakers and partners he has to talk about the programs and they had like 10 minute talks about the programs for business and stuff. Honestly not as bad as I read about endless advertising of his other events on other forums. What this means is to find and help yourself. Date With Destiny focuses on building relationships a lot more in depth from my understanding. Yes, the dancing is over the top. Did I do it? I also went alone, knowing no one there. It was amazing.
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No one made you do that. My point is that you go to the event, leave early and take what you felt was important from the event. And apparently what was important to you is that the whole thing was not what you expected. Saying you dislike something without ever trying it is But even so, you need to think. I say that with all the love in my heart. He has to charge thousands because he has NO choice! He needs more mansions and yachts! Give him your money! Young lady You will be successful and a leader.
Your insight is beyond your years. Older enough to he your grandmother, or great-grandmother. My comments were in August. To be fair That would be the person he started under, Jim Rohn. Tony then took that and decided to dive deep into neuroscience and psychology. There are 4 different psychological types in the crowd when you present and then there are many variables and circumstances for each one of those. He rather focus on rudimentary tactics to get MANY people rather than focus on please then minority of the crowd people like you who just want him to cut to the meat and potatoes of the information.
There is a scientific reason to the dancing. Not only that but how many times in a weekend and for how long and when to stop. Rather you just know him for his content. You have accomplished a lot which congrats to you, and you have content that you are able to direct people to through this article. Best of luck with decision making in the future! Everyone has to understand Tony Robbins game at these seminars. Its called "immersion brainwashing". Basically you are provided with so much information presented in a rapid fire hyper-active manner that your brain becomes over-stimulated.
The fact he often goes of script with mumbo jumbo unrelated information is also intentional in that it contributes to the confusion as the brain is trying to understand and catch up on previous comments. Touching other people is an NLP tactic to promote affirmation and connection all intended to generate and sustain groupthink.
I could go on and on. Bottom line I've carefully watched many videos of TR. I'm Executive Chairman of a Holding Company in which I am either an owner or partner in over 50 companies. There is no viable ROI in any of his seminars and for those that disagree asked yourself if you can verify you have received back dollar for dollar value on your total investment, let alone the miracle Tony Robbins promises. I'm glad you felt empowered to share!
Boy are you getting a lot of free advertising out of mentioning Tony's name especially taking an oppositional verbal stance. Isn't that a bit like name dropping? How your company works with him? Tony is all about emersion to learn and make rapid changes and you got out of the pool before that happened. I won't argue that what you did instead wasn't positive but what you are saying is that staying would have been a waste of your time.
You from your current perspective can't know this it is an oppinion stated as a fact The only way to actually know that would have been to stay. So, your points ARE one sided arguments presented as facts. That dread was your fear. So, I imagine you run away from other situations that make you uncomfortable too. All your above "reasons" are actually deflections.
What you did on you days off was so you would not have to come back completely empty handed after saying you would do something. The final comment I have is, your ego is the size of Texas to tell Tony how you would attend if he made "these" changes. He doesn't need you to approve of any of his courses.
Just saying. He sells snake oil. How many people actually "made it"? Why do they keep going to "speakers? Go BACK to your job, and make some money, not giving it to this dude. Oh, you were good for the local economy, too. I don't think that you gave it enough time that first day. I also felt that it was a bit rah rah cheesy at first, but once you let it flow- it gets much better and on day three when they turn off the lights all that you wanted to fix can be fixed- by you - there I have been twice, both times with co-workers. Fantastic time- you owe it to yourself to see the 3. Great information to be had and what is wrong with little much needed exercise to boot!
This is highly embarrassing to admit but I need to share something in the hopes that it helps other people. You can judge me if you want but I would encourage you not to. But I just went to a big motivational seminar this weekend and I seemed to be really enjoying myself I came back ready to tackle the world.
Now some of you will be saying, duh. Day one of the seminar I woke up at 5am, got to the venue at and got in line to register so I could get a good seat. Which was still no where close to when the firewalk that they had been talking about all day was happening. So I stayed until midnight and then said I have to go.
So I left and missed the firewalk. I could barely drive home. Seems like a healthy position to put people in. Day two was much of the same. It feels like you can do and accomplish anything. Which I did. So I had boundless energy and optimism. Tony also suggested that things only change when your shoulds turn to musts. That was until I woke up the next day feeling like a million bricks had hit me. I managed to get myself out of bed and make it to day three for transformation day. That should have been a clue. Transformation day is kept very vague.
And the experience is intense. Which is a tell tale sign of mania. And I sign up for one. I keep hearing the mantras repeated over and over again both from them and in my head. Then they do a business portion of the seminar. They talk about how all these amazing people will be at the Business Mastery program and that proximity is power and tell you if you go back now to sign up then you get half off. Without hesitation I pop up from my seat and go back to sign up.
Now this was a choice I made, but the conditions I was put in clouded my judgment beyond the typical realms of what is normal. The next 24 hours I felt crazy. Over and over. And over. But I was breathing hard and had a massive headache. And went on with my day. Was there valuable info or insight? I called the offices and no one was available to talk to and they said they would call me back in hours, which would be after the 72 allotted period. So yea. I mean I take responsibility for sure. I bought the snake oil. This will definitely go down as one the hardest lessons I will ever learn.
You have seen the light of day, unlike those sheep who keep feeding this demon money because they are weak, weak minded, and probably very insecure. Mommy didn't hold them enough. Get out of the basement and keep your money to better yourself. Don't be a sucker. Kep your head up, and move forward You can do this on your own Just go to church. It's free and a whole lot more inspiring than a windbag banging sticks on stage.
I went to UPW twice. I swear but he was over the top. The second time was enough out of control swearing and both my friend and I we both previously attended walked out after the first day. Thank you for sharing how you reached your own conclusion for yourself. Many of these so called enlightment seminars can be dangerous. Yes it all sounds so great and powerful, exactly like a cult. There are several books on this.
Scientology started this way. But the thing is we all have it in ourselves to strive and figure life out for ourselves. Also many really good books that can inspire and not have to dish out thousands of dollars at a so called seminar which always seems to end up in a sales pitch to scale. Also if you need a push and need the rahrah or more friends Who has that much Energy?? Pit Bull performed tonite and he told his story which is nothing short of a miracle This was a fantastic article.
I also walked out in LA on day three. I went to Disneyland! I'm listening to a lot of his material and it's definitely helping me but I'm not sure touching strangers would improve my life at the moment. I get the impression Tony would disagree with your decision to leave but appreciate that you took massive action. Had you stayed till the end, you would have experienced the most powerful part of the event Tony leads an exercise that powerfully helps participants not only destroy limiting beliefs but powerfully replace them with truth.
This is what UPW is all about. Much of his advice seems sound, my decision has nothing to do with that. It is the way the information is presented that turns me completely off, but then I am a bit on the conservative side. I am just an even keel kind of person who likes to think over my decision and motives for where I wish to be in life.
If you can convert it to spiritual, more power to you. Oh my goodness. I am literally experiencing this right now. Thank you so much for making me feel less guilty and like less of an asshole for not going back. It is confirmed. I cannot put myself through another day of this. And on top of it the venue we are at is horrendous. Natalie, I agree with you. I'm at the same UPW as you. I am tired of strangers touching me and this venue is too horrendous to return to unclean restrooms, hard floors, horrible food that you are forced to buy with 14 hour days and no outside food.
Today, although it was published that the venue was open at a. Perhaps this was by design - to change our state. It changed my location; I left. I am a Tony Robbins believer; I think he is great. But I'm too uncomfortable here to be receptive to the material. I rebooked my flight and am on my way home now after leaving the first day at 8pm and only making it to 1pm today in Dallas. A better venue with more food options and a shorter day would have been nice. I feel that all the important points could have been made in a nice hour day. Should have watched his Netflix show beforehand before deciding to go.
The venue was absolute shit, I agree. BUT, Tony bought the venue. So next UPW at the center, we can bring anything we want which will be amazing. No more having to sneak in fruit loops in my pants lol. You are awesome! Thanks for sharing your perspective and experience! I was debating on going myself! Found this very insightful! One I just completed, which led me to your article.
For some reason, I alwaysss get uncomfortable watching his videos. I wanted to see if anyone else felt the same. Sure he has some valid points I sense ego and even a bit of arrogance. Someone who may have had the right intentions at one point, but whose roots now seem to be polluted by ego.
Not fillers. He appears to be a master businessman though whose true drive and purpose needs a checkup????? Again, my opinion. I find Gabor Mate wayy more insightful. Believe me, lol. But thank you for your article, validated what I too have felt. I couldn't agree with you more, also Gabor Mate is incredibly insightful. Also the late great Jacques Fresco would wipe the floor with TR's bullshit. Tony Robbins is a fraud, flawed human being.
His body already rejected "his" conceptualization of "the perfect food s ", and what's obvious is "his" need for attention and sense of belonging. He is a narcissist. Perhaps a sociopath. In the end he helps no one but himself by feeding off of popularity and attention all the while prancing around like a rock star lead singer without the actual talent to be a rock star lead singer.
He's a great salesman and marketing genius - selling delusions. I've never been to Tony Robbins event but have been close to going. What has always put me off is that Tony is a master manipulator. He has modelled his even like a rock concert to put people in an "adoring screaming fan" state. I see through it all and hence never been to a seminar. That, and I have listened to a few of his, om audio. I just tell people truthfully " I overheard This is not "hate".
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Can he "motivate"? Buy please, consider your source, when THEY condone lying. Just a "personal" conviction and observation.. The food offerings and comfort facilities are terrible! Long lines Women were asking us men for toilet paper or paper towels since their rest rooms had run out This is basic stuff that some one who hosts should have a grip on! For the amount of money and time and sacrifices we made to come here for growth They had plenty of staff pushing product in the atrium instead of making sure we were comfortable.
You use an interesting firm of self promotion. Bash a life coach and state how much I can do better. This is just another sales gimmic right? The author of this article isn't selling you anything, isn't after any unearned power and has no axe to grind, other than to express himself and experience with snake-oil Tony.
Hi Amber, I am also attending the July 11th in Dallas, which is tomorrow! It will be my first time at any of his events, and I am being open-minded to it, however, I can understand how you would have doubts. Would love to hear about your experience! We are at this event together right now. What are your thought so on the awful venue? On top of all these other things Noah mentions. Yes - Too generalized.
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Would love to connect and talk with you if it would help. If you are the same Brian I think you are, I think we are already connected. Sometimes we need to get things off our chest and just talk, be heard. I am happy to. Blessings to you my friend. I respect your struggle. Know that you deserve all the good that you can grasp. I too, have struggled for over 55 years and have failed to reach as far as I think I could have. Know that you are not alone. You do not need to escape to have a joyful life. I offer you my shoulder to lean on. The brotherhood of humanity will carry one another to a brighter spot in life.
I wish you rest, relief, comfort and respite. Your comments make sense and made me think quite a bit. I would love to hear more about your workshop or others that you recommend. I appreciate your comments. I'm not a "rah-rah" fan, and this guy seems to be the best. Also, the whole thing seems to be narcissistic in it's goals.
But there's definitely a spiritual component missing. I'm not a "rah-rah" fan either. I don't like the idea of some random dude rubbing my shoulders either. He has the "gift of the gab" as my Dad used to say, but I agree the repertoire is over done and should be less of a show. I am a Christian too and I have even seen these antics in some churches. For events to have a powerful and trans-formative impact they don't need to be run like circus or rock concert. There can be a lot of power in a persons humble presence and the sensitivity with which they engage a crowd.
I think of Jesus and the powerful impact He had that is still being felt today. I agree there is the spiritual component missing. Jesus said, "My words are Spirit and life. I think that is missing. Then I cut the deck in half and move over half the pile, right to left, as shown above.
Whenever I cut a tarot deck, I only use my left hand. Returning to the first left-most pile, I cut that half in half so a quarter and move it between the first two piles. From the third pile, as shown above, I cut it half another quarter to form the last left-most pile. Now we have four piles. He just wanted a reading and was interested to see what might come up, what the universe felt he most needed to know right now. If, however, Abe did ask a specific question, then his signifier appearing in the first pile would indicate that the solution to the problem is in the physical plane as opposed to emotional, intellectual, or material; physical relates to the body while material relates to our resources and finances.
Again, links to more comprehensive explanations of the First Operation appear above in an earlier paragraph. Also, note that in the Eta Method, once the signifier is located, the reader will focus entirely on that pile only. The other three piles can be set aside. The Six of Wands in reverse is really good to see. For starters, it tells me, the reader, that this guy Abe is ambitious, has his shit together, and is on the ascent up in terms of his professional career.
However, there could be delays. He should hold his horses, if you will. I also see the scope of our reading now. Also examine the card immediately subsequent to the signifier. Here, the card appearing right after the King of Pentacles is the King of Wands. These are latent energies that are directly relevant to the matter at hand. In fact, the King of Wands is Fire on Fire. A whole lotta Fire going on up in here, in the Preliminary Operation pile corresponding with Fire, no less. Fire relates to ambitions, but also intuition, and making decisions on a hunch, because your hunch is always right.
The prevalence of Fire here might also suggest to me that Abe is in a creative field. And… it turns out he is. Look at that. After locating the signifier in the pile, I count in the number of cards from the top in to the position of the signifier. When you pick up the pile that was face down, you turn it over so that it is now face up to you. That first face-up card is count 1. Once you have reached the signifier, the signifier card itself is the last count and thus the number of degrees.
Thus, in the above photograph example, I would say the signifier, the King of Pentacles, is 9 degrees in. Generally, if the degrees in is over 9, I interpret that as delays, uncertainties in the outcome, or higher chances of wild card variables or force majeure to the matter at hand.
If the degrees in is 1 through 9, then I apply basic numerology analysis. At 2 degrees, there are balancing issues, cooperation needed, or interpersonal relationships heavily at play in the matter. At 3 degrees, strong likelihood of fruition here. And so on. Apply your own numerological correspondences. Here for Abe, his signifier was 9 degrees in.
Much of what the subsequent reading for Abe and his new business is going to be toward the objective of longevity. You see, I always had a lot of faith. I always believed in God from day one, I was never really taught to believe in God. I always considered myself very spiritual, putting faith and gratitude in everything I do. I truly believe that my gifts came from God and my desire to help people and make a difference. One day I was touched by a very prophetic dream, telling me I was following the right path and that I needed to do that for people.
Once I surrendered myself to the divine guidance, this is what opened everything for me. This is how I found myself being truly surprised. I go with an open heart and I guess right away people notice my pure intentions, so there are never any misconceptions. And I have to say that the biggest non-believers are my greatest clients. Like anything in life we can use our gift for good and evil.